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the planet surfing masters almost surely

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have a plan that's clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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an excuse already tested every time so

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just assign the more you think you know

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the high side that song

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all right higher side shadows we've come

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to understand their lives some

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interesting phenomenon at the crossroads

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of reality and consciousness but our

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material worldview overlords would

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rather we not discuss but having seen

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plenty of interesting data from studies

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and remote viewing telepathy and

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near-death experience just to name a few

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we realize it can't be ignored well the

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only thing our shadowy elite hate more

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than people discarding their

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pre-approved perspective is when it

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wanders into areas that mess with their

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money and today's guests might have done

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just that the highly respected doctor

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bill Bengston has been conducting

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research and anomalous healing for many

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years and has proven the effectiveness

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of his technique and ten controlled

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animal experiments conducted in five

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University biological and medical

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laboratories you can read more about it

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in his book the energy cure unraveling

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the mystery of hands on healing or pick

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up his audio training course and just

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dive in for yourself but to my knowledge

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he's done the most thorough scientific

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studies of the phenomenon on the planet

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so it's a real treat to have him here to

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talk about it dr. banks in my man

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welcome to the higher side thanks a lot

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appreciate being on

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yeah you got it this is really exciting

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man because there's a lot of speculation

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in the world a lot of people claim to

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have interesting mental abilities or

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otherworldly experiences that don't fit

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into what our mainstream culture is

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willing to accept and we sort of have to

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take their word for it or just reject it

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but when I can drag a closed-minded

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friend kicking and screaming into your

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research which I've done a few times now

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that's pretty satisfying to watch their

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reality tunnel breakdown as they try to

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deal with the implications of the

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so-called impossible I'm sure you've had

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some similar fun with this right well

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absolutely but I'm one of those people

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like your friends I'm not a believer in

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this stuff at all I just find the

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phenomenon of healing pretty interesting

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and it keeps happening and so I never

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default to belief I I don't think I have

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a believing bone in my body

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but the stuff keeps happening and so my

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skeptical attitude towards this stuff is

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being tested tested tested and as long

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as the data keep showing that

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something's going on there and it's

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pretty interesting that I'm going to

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keep at it fair points and so let's

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start at the beginning for people who

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might be new to this how did you get

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started in studying healing well it was

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placed far far away we could probably

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make a movie about that and I was

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Bennett Merrick and so I skeptical then

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skeptical now I said well you know it's

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interesting I read some studies and some

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popular books and things like that I'm

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psychic stuff and I said well if you can

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do this let me test you so he said

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that's fine and I started to give him

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tests and and he was passing the test it

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was really it was interesting and

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frustrating and I figured if I design

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studies that I could eventually find out

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that something else was going on but he

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was real he was a psychic he could do

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astonishing accuracy I couldn't find a

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flaw in what was going on and his

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this or that and personal stuff he

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his own body and when that happened what

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reading of hmm and he thought that was

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crazy I of course thought it was crazy

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things like that and he would pick up

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few months and I wasn't sure what to do

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with it and one day he and I were

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sitting in a kitchen and I ain't had a

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bad back for many years I was actually a

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competitive swimmer and had to give up a

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swimming scholarship and I was in kind

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of chronic pain all the time sometimes

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but in this particular day was flaring

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up and he's telling me this story about

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how he had just relieved somebody's pain

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I'm sitting there thinking well you know

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you're the village idiot here the guys

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talking about relieving pain you're

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sitting here in pain let's do something

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here so just as I thought that I know

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this sounds preposterous but just as I

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thought that he grabs his back and he

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goes low somebody has a pain huh so I

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let him twist in the wind for a while

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and he's ruffling through his pockets

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shouldn't say well they don't have a

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pain they're another pain he's trying to

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figure out if he's carrying something of

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someone and he's going on and on again

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I'm just letting them twist out there

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because I'm a nasty person and then

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finally he says I don't know what to

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make of this I have a pain in my back

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said yeah what kind of a half-ass

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psychic are you you know you can't even

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tell us what I have a pain in the back

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he goes keep your pain yourself and I

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said better idea takes it and he said

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how and I said I don't know put your

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hands on my back and he said and then do

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what and I said fix the damn thing so I

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leaned over on a kitchen table said put

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your hands on my back put his hands on

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my back and he said now what I said just

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do it and his hands

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sensation of almost becoming novocaine

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dinh my back and the novocaine was I

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don't know five inches in diameter and

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hysterical suppression the symptoms I'm

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with this let's start putting his hands

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on other things and let's start seeing

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what's going on and so I'm dragging them

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around dragging his hands around putting

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them on this putting them on that and we

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reasonably interesting phenomenon so the

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mindset what do you learn you know

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so people were getting better sometimes

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people don't like healing very much and

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clinical stuff I went backwards and then

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went into the lab mm-hmm and that's

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what's so impressive to me about this is

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that you know you were able to get

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started on this with no real training

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random occurrence which makes me wonder

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why we don't see more just organic

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discoveries of this phenomenon if it

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seems to be so you know easy to do are

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the successes started right away and one

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of the interesting things about this guy

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who's no longer with us and but one of

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the interesting things about this guy

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was that he had no trainer he just kind

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of morphed into a psychic when he was in

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his late 40s he wasn't a psychic before

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that he morphed into being a psychic

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that he morphed into being a healer and

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then he went on from there so I would

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suspect that there's probably a bunch of

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people out there like this I mean this

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walking around like this so we just kind

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of glommed onto it and said well let's

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get to what's actually going on here

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experiments you did a lot of research on

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cancer and mice and for people who might

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not have a background in scientific

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research tell us why the mice model and

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the parameters of it are really a pretty

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perfect situation for measuring this

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type of thing

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going to say mine's not normal though my

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path hasn't been normal when you do

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normal research you usually start with

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what are called preclinical model so you

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do animals and cell cultures and things

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like that and then eventually move into

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clinical where you're dealing with

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people and I did the reverse we just

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started putting hands on here and

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putting hands on there and just kind of

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taking gross observations about what was

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happening and then I move backwards into

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the lab to try to find out what's

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already going on but to answer your

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question about why the lab is so good

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the mouse model that we used first and

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this was done at City University of New

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York and there are many models like this

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you know exactly what can happen

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cancer you know exactly what's going to

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happen after they get cancer you're

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going to know exactly how long each

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so it's a very controlled environment if

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you have a person I mean you don't even

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know when a person got sick the client

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walks in off the street and says I have

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a tumor I have this I have that and you

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really don't know anything about it I

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mean people walk around with cancer all

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the time yeah there's some suspicion

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that everybody has cancer mm-hmm and

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that's discovered by autopsies of young

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people who died in car accidents and

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when they're doing the autopsy and

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they're taking histology of this and

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that it turns out virtually everybody

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has cancer but that's very different

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from a disease right just like you've

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got a whole bunch of bacteria and

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viruses and a good chunk of your cells

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are not of your origin and you're

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walking around you're not sick you're

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just you're a colony and sometimes some

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of the cells go rogue and they're just

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floating around in your system and then

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your immune system scoops them up and

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gets rid of them yeah that's very

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different than being sick so someone

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comes to you and they have a tumor you

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have no idea how long they've had it you

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have no idea what's going on and frankly

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you know let's say a person walks in and

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says I have this tumor and you put your

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hands on and then you put your hands on

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you put your hands on you do a bunch of

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treatments I mean that's wonderful but

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you don't know whether it was time

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the body would have done it anyway you

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don't know whether it's because they ate

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a grapefruit you don't know whether it's

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because they didn't eat a grapefruit

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they had an extra vitamin C they didn't

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have an extra vitamin I mean you don't

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know people are too complex yeah she

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going to lab and you have mice you know

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exactly who they are where they came

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from how long they're going to live

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everything about them you know they've

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eaten how long they've slept give

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everything about them and the particular

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model I work with wasn't chosen by me it

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was chosen by an oncology lab it's a

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mammary cancer and the short version is

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you get a particular kind of mouse you

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inject it with a certain number of cells

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usually about a hundred thousand and

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then you know exactly what's going to

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happen the one I used a hundred percent

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of the mice in 20 years of research and

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thousands of papers hundred percent of

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the mice died in 27 days they don't die

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all on the 27th day it follows kind of a

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normal bell curve in a certain

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percentage die on a certain day and a

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certain percentage on the next day and

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such but it's a very very tight model if

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you're geeky and you want to talk about

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standard deviations the standard

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deviation of death is three days which

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means two-thirds of the mice die plus or

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minus the particular three days and no

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mouse has ever lived past day 27 the

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other good thing about this model is

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that everything is on the external

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so nothing metastasizes you just get a

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mouse with an ugly growth and the growth

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gets bigger and uglier and then the

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mouse dies and so you can measure it you

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can weigh it you can do anything you

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want and so lots of people all over the

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world use this particular mouse model so

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it's very very very common and so I said

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we'll give me something that's common

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and so this became the model I started

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with and so the benefit of the lab work

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is that we know you can do very very

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detailed work and you know everything

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about the animal mm-hmm right and it is

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good for people to have that context of

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the model that you are using and how

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reliable it is so walk us through the

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first

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experiment and where you got to that big

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Eureka moment yeah I was kind of

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flopping on the floor it it caught me

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off guard again I come to this for as a

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skeptic and I thought well let's see

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what happens we get some ice we have

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them injected all of the course is done

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by the biologists and we put our hands

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around a cage let's see what happens to

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the mice and I'm thinking well we're

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going to have very controlled

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environment we can see what's going on

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and now among the things I am is a

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statistician and so I thought I would be

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doing statistical analyses of this

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different shapes of the curves of death

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and all the stuff so we started out and

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the original person who was going to do

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these experiments was of course Ben

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Merrick the guy who dragged me down this

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crazy path and he backed out and and

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that wasn't good for my team I kind of

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had a fit because it was very difficult

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to set this up yeah

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and so months and months went into the

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planning of this experiment and he

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backed out and then we'd left with mice

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are coming and we have no healer so I'm

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not a healer but I was then volunteered

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because there was no plan B or I guess

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Plan C for anybody else to do this so I

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had followed him around a lot and

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learned a lot and watched a lot and so I

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became the substitute healer on this

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thing so I went to the lab and put my

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hands around the cage for an hour a day

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we had no idea how long you need to do

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this and we figure we watch see what

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happens and I was thinking at the time

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maybe healing is like

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radiation

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is that you know I'm thinking I'm

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napping something if something that's

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going to work so if the mice are just

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injected with cancer a couple of days

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earlier and you know we go thing then

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maybe like radiation it'll kill the

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cells and all that stuff and instead the

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tumors are growing

402
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and so I'm I'm an empiricist you know

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and here are the data and so the tumors

404
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are growing and I said well it's not

405
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working let's cancel this thing and the

406
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people who had set this up and spent

407
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quite a bit of time setting it up said

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well just do it a couple more days so I

409
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get alright I'll do it a couple more

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days so I'm putting my hands around the

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cage for an hour a day

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tumors keep growing and I said come on

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they're growing and they said yeah but

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you know they they don't seem sick and

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it's true they seem bright-eyed

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bushy-tailed but they had these ugly

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growths and I'm thinking well if they

418
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have the gross and I couldn't prevent

419
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the cancer from growing I'm probably not

420
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having any effect at all go on a couple

421
00:17:03,540 --> 00:17:01,209
more days I do it a couple more days

422
00:17:05,449 --> 00:17:03,550
tumors getting even bigger and now it's

423
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getting huge and I'm going come on folks

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pay attention the thing doesn't work and

425
00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:12,069
so a couple more days the tumor get a

426
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blackened area on the tip of it and now

427
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I'm sure they're dying

428
00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:20,380
a couple more days I merged the tumour

429
00:17:23,970 --> 00:17:22,420
also rates

430
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nobody had ever seen this alteration

431
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:26,410
before and I'm thinking well they're

432
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dying we got to stop give you an idea of

433
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:31,960
my belief in this stuff and they say

434
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:33,520
couple more days and then the tumor

435
00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:38,160
implodes and then my secured damn

436
00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:41,710
damndest thing damndest thing I mean

437
00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:43,660
when we got the results that the mice

438
00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:45,760
are cured they're not remitted I mean we

439
00:17:50,010 --> 00:17:47,890
didn't know that at the time but these

440
00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:50,020
aren't remitted mice because it's not a

441
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relief of symptoms they're cured for

442
00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:54,090
life

443
00:17:59,900 --> 00:17:56,460
so we watch them for their entire

444
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lifespan and it gets even nuttier we can

445
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re-inject them during their entire

446
00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:05,160
lifespan and they can't get cancer again

447
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:08,460
yeah and that to me is is the wildest

448
00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:08,880
thing

449
00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:11,400
well it's nutty I mean you know give me

450
00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:11,910
a break

451
00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:14,190
this is silly mm-hmm but here are the

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00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:16,470
data you know so again I don't come as a

453
00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:18,840
believer I'm going it didn't happen the

454
00:18:22,370 --> 00:18:20,550
way I wanted to that didn't happen the

455
00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:22,380
way I expected it to nothing goes the

456
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way I expected to and so I've concluded

457
00:18:31,670 --> 00:18:27,840
that this is not anything like a

458
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psychokinetic effect certainly nature is

459
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:35,430
not doing what I wanted to I didn't want

460
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the tumors I thought if it was going to

461
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:39,000
be successful the tumors would never

462
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grow but they grow and then they also

463
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rate and then they implode what's not my

464
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doing I didn't script this so Nature has

465
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a weird sense of humor and she takes it

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the way she wants to go with it but the

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cures are not healing is not a

468
00:19:00,800 --> 00:18:57,600
psychokinetic effect it's not you

469
00:19:04,910 --> 00:19:00,810
getting what you want at least insofar

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as the stages go to full cure I mean it

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is interesting we find that the body

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does a lot of things that we don't

473
00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:10,140
necessarily know how to do like if you

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you can't really beat your heart on

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command it just kind of happens all the

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time and yeah no you can't pump blood to

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a certain part of your body on demand it

478
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just it happens so the idea that you

479
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don't need to know exactly how it's

480
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:24,510
happening it's not that hard to believe

481
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but with results like this people are

482
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going to want to know more about the

483
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tool that did it what can you tell us

484
00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:32,280
about this method you developed and how

485
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:35,160
you perfected it well the method is

486
00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:38,490
still evolving but in the time I spent

487
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:41,580
with Ben he's a weird guy you know and

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among his weird qualities was an

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apparent ability to answer questions he

490
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:51,330
didn't know anything about and I have a

491
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tendency to ask a lot of questions so I

492
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would ask a question he'd give an answer

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and neither of us would understand what

494
00:20:02,600 --> 00:19:59,730
Allie just said and making this a

495
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:02,610
reasonably long story much shorter I

496
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:04,650
asked them a whole lot of questions

497
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:07,890
about how what he was doing naturally or

498
00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:10,410
on taneous Lee could be reproduced by

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and fast forwarding a couple of thousand

500
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questions we started to get a glimpse or

501
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started to understand what would have to

502
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happen to a inexperienced novice to

503
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reproduce what he was doing just

504
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naturally and this became the method and

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00:20:36,859 --> 00:20:35,009
so the method is called image cycling I

506
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mean that's the base method and

507
00:20:41,149 --> 00:20:38,759
incidentally just for anybody hearing

508
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,159
this I don't have any proprietary secret

509
00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:43,679
information all this stuff is published

510
00:20:49,609 --> 00:20:46,769
so I have written instructions on how to

511
00:20:52,249 --> 00:20:49,619
do this I have a training audio tape on

512
00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:52,259
how to reproduce this effect I give

513
00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:54,299
workshops teaching people how to do this

514
00:20:59,840 --> 00:20:56,700
so anybody can learn you don't I'm not a

515
00:21:02,799 --> 00:20:59,850
healer but healing happens and so the

516
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method we called image cycling and

517
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probably been wouldn't recognize it

518
00:21:10,009 --> 00:21:07,950
today but it's still the same plot then

519
00:21:13,849 --> 00:21:10,019
the general idea is this you're going

520
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through a very very very rapid imaging

521
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process of very specific concrete things

522
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that you want and we try to start with a

523
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list of at least 20 things very very

524
00:21:34,999 --> 00:21:31,109
precise so I want a blue Miata

525
00:21:36,919 --> 00:21:35,009
I want a red Porsche I'm just kidding

526
00:21:39,349 --> 00:21:36,929
car examples which is kind of weird for

527
00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:39,359
me because I don't like cars what's a

528
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:41,580
cool car a Tesla you know I need a green

529
00:21:46,729 --> 00:21:44,369
Tesla I'm making stuff up so the first

530
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picture is me driving a green Tesla the

531
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second picture is me at the top of Mount

532
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Everest the third picture is me and you

533
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know etc etc and these are all end

534
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images

535
00:22:04,519 --> 00:21:59,759
there's nothing to do with the means to

536
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,529
the end so for example if you ask any

537
00:22:08,269 --> 00:22:06,419
group of people and I would include your

538
00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:08,279
listeners God never found an exception

539
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:10,589
if you ask any group of people what they

540
00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:12,410
want

541
00:22:17,710 --> 00:22:13,940
first of all they have difficulty coming

542
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up with 20 things and then they think I

543
00:22:22,450 --> 00:22:20,690
really only want three and everybody

544
00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:22,460
says the same three things it's really

545
00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:25,670
quite astonishing so for example they

546
00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:29,000
say I want to be happy

547
00:22:34,930 --> 00:22:32,270
now that has no content right the second

548
00:22:35,890 --> 00:22:34,940
thing they say is I want money and then

549
00:22:38,170 --> 00:22:35,900
of course they think money will make

550
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:38,180
them happy too and the third thing they

551
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:40,310
say is I want to be healthy

552
00:22:45,070 --> 00:22:42,770
now none of those things can go on the

553
00:22:50,830 --> 00:22:48,490
big generality and they're not endpoints

554
00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:50,840
so if you want money because you want to

555
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:55,380
buy a car it's the car you want

556
00:22:59,539 --> 00:22:57,690
and if you think money if I had money

557
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:59,549
I'd be able to buy the car yeah but if

558
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,799
it's the car you want it's the car

559
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,840
that's the image yeah focus on the car

560
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:06,480
yeah and how you get it whether you get

561
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:08,580
it because you win the lottery or if you

562
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,440
come into a lot of money or somebody

563
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:12,480
gives you a car for Christmas it doesn't

564
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:13,200
make any difference

565
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:16,110
you got the car I want to be happy I

566
00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:17,580
have no idea what that means you know do

567
00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:18,809
something you want to walk around a big

568
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:20,309
grin all the time does that mean you

569
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:24,240
want a car so these images are very very

570
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:26,730
very specific and they're burned into

571
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:29,340
your brain takes a while this is not an

572
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:32,370
easy technique incidentally and then you

573
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:35,400
image them very very rapidly and I mean

574
00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:36,299
very rapidly

575
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:38,190
you'd never believe how rapid you can do

576
00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:41,159
this again this goes to training CDs and

577
00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:43,080
things like that and workshops and it

578
00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:44,820
takes a while but by the end of a

579
00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:46,590
two-day workshop I've got people going

580
00:23:51,649 --> 00:23:48,870
several thousand images a second at

581
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:51,659
least and then they leave and then they

582
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:53,450
go practice and they get really fast and

583
00:23:58,820 --> 00:23:56,340
so the first step is this image cycling

584
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:58,830
which is a pain I don't know anything

585
00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:00,840
about comparative feeling but I'm told

586
00:24:05,299 --> 00:24:03,150
there are healing techniques that you

587
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:05,309
can master you know in five seconds and

588
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:06,690
you can do everything you know will

589
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:08,970
debit they're better than me mine is a

590
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:10,890
pain and it takes a lot of practice and

591
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,250
it's annoying and I get cursed out so

592
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:16,260
for people who are trying to kind of

593
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,610
conceptualize this method a little

594
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,200
further would you say it's more in the

595
00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:20,880
realm of what people might think of as

596
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:24,059
neuro linguistic programming no I think

597
00:24:29,299 --> 00:24:25,980
it's a matter of just grinding out

598
00:24:33,619 --> 00:24:29,309
practise of a new skill

599
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:33,629
of extremely rapid imaging and as in

600
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:36,740
anything anything that you master

601
00:24:44,509 --> 00:24:41,820
becomes mindless so if you're learning a

602
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:44,519
new skill you start mindfully and then

603
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:45,929
if you once you get pretty good at it

604
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:48,299
you then you've programmed yourself you

605
00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:52,529
transition to mindless so if I mean can

606
00:24:56,389 --> 00:24:54,539
you sports analogies I'm going to teach

607
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:56,399
you a backhand in tennis and I feed you

608
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:58,620
a backhand and you hit it in the wrong

609
00:25:02,899 --> 00:25:00,299
direction I feed you a backhand I feed

610
00:25:04,249 --> 00:25:02,909
you a couple thousand feeds later you

611
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:04,259
hit in the right direction a couple

612
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:06,090
thousand feet later it's starting to do

613
00:25:10,869 --> 00:25:08,220
what you want it to do a couple of

614
00:25:13,340 --> 00:25:10,879
thousand feet later you can feel it and

615
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:13,350
then after a while it becomes just a

616
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:17,490
natural flow the flow is the state you

617
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:19,830
want to be in but just like learning how

618
00:25:24,019 --> 00:25:21,929
to master tennis or learning how to

619
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:24,029
master anything requires a lot of

620
00:25:30,009 --> 00:25:27,090
mindful practice before a transition to

621
00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:30,019
mindless so when you were a little kid

622
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:31,830
trying to learn how to take your first

623
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:34,110
steps you look like an idiot yeah and

624
00:25:37,129 --> 00:25:35,669
you kept falling you got up you got

625
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:37,139
falling you got up you got falling you

626
00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:38,460
got up you got falling and then one day

627
00:25:41,139 --> 00:25:40,590
phase transition and you're off and

628
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:41,149
running

629
00:25:47,419 --> 00:25:44,369
these techniques like image cycling work

630
00:25:48,919 --> 00:25:47,429
roughly the same way right on and you

631
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,929
mentioned comparative healing and not

632
00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:50,460
knowing much about that of course and

633
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,990
there is a New Age culture that talks

634
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:54,240
about love and light healing the power

635
00:25:59,509 --> 00:25:56,850
of intention crystals Reiki and all that

636
00:26:01,279 --> 00:25:59,519
stuff do you see any connection to the

637
00:26:04,399 --> 00:26:01,289
method you developed and these type of

638
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,409
things New Agers claims I don't know

639
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:07,919
enough about that world yeah so I'm not

640
00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:09,690
a healer

641
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:13,649
and I'm studying the stuff that I'm

642
00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:16,289
producing and that I'm training other

643
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:19,379
people to produce and I that that fills

644
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,570
my plate enough yeah I'm not in the

645
00:26:25,820 --> 00:26:23,580
contest with any other healing technique

646
00:26:28,399 --> 00:26:25,830
and I don't know I can tell you

647
00:26:30,379 --> 00:26:28,409
anecdotally I mean there's been a whole

648
00:26:34,369 --> 00:26:30,389
lot of people have taken my workshop who

649
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,379
are already trained healers and so what

650
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:36,840
happens is this would be an example

651
00:26:41,899 --> 00:26:39,450
someone comes in and they already are

652
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,909
trained in their Reiki masters and

653
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:43,679
they're Joe ray masters and their

654
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:46,200
therapeutic touch masters and I'm not

655
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:48,059
sure what else but you get the idea so

656
00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:49,470
they've been trained in all of these

657
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,990
things and they actually sometimes have

658
00:26:55,999 --> 00:26:53,820
healing clinics themselves sometimes

659
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,009
they have private practices but they've

660
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:57,360
been off and running and they're very

661
00:27:02,119 --> 00:26:58,500
different than me they're actually

662
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:02,129
healers and they're able to do things

663
00:27:08,539 --> 00:27:04,710
but they're frustrated that they can't

664
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:08,549
do certain things now the stuff that I

665
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,830
can do seems to be a little bit

666
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:13,320
different in some cases than what they

667
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:15,720
can do so they come to me to learn mine

668
00:27:22,129 --> 00:27:18,179
so they're able to do what they couldn't

669
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,139
do before to give you an example and

670
00:27:26,649 --> 00:27:24,539
again I'm not this is not a contest but

671
00:27:30,019 --> 00:27:26,659
as far as I'm aware

672
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:30,029
Reiki therapeutic touch Healing Touch

673
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:33,659
you know yadda yadda does not seem to

674
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:35,860
cure cancer

675
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:38,590
for reasons that make no sense to me in

676
00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:40,090
the sense that I don't really understand

677
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:44,940
it mine fixes cancer on the flip side

678
00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:48,130
mine won't effect a wart

679
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:53,680
literally and so if you've got a wart

680
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:57,510
and you treat using my technique

681
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:01,620
for the next six days 60 days nothing

682
00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:05,700
happens now that's a clue but nothing

683
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,280
happens now if you do Reiki I'm told and

684
00:28:14,530 --> 00:28:10,860
you just go you know Reiki Reiki and it

685
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,540
goes away now that's interesting it is

686
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:17,220
so the people who are raking people who

687
00:28:21,620 --> 00:28:19,560
haven't cured cancer they learn my

688
00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:21,630
method then they cure the boatload of

689
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:25,230
cancers in a row on the other hand they

690
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:28,860
lose the ability to do work weird weird

691
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:30,810
world which I think it's pretty fun so

692
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:33,270
so the people who are actually healers

693
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:35,310
and let's say you're a good clinician

694
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:37,170
I'm not but let's say you're a good

695
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:39,330
clinician and the person comes to you

696
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:42,330
with a wart well you're probably going

697
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:43,980
to want to do something like Reiki I'm

698
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,210
just making this up I don't know what

699
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,640
Reiki is but I'm told that Reiki fixes

700
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:49,500
warts now if you use my method and you

701
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:51,330
know you learn this crazy image cycling

702
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,740
and you practice your brains out for the

703
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:54,480
next month well you're going to lose the

704
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:56,070
ability do the work if you applied my

705
00:28:59,720 --> 00:28:58,500
method but you do Reiki and it'll go

706
00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:59,730
away but if someone comes to you with

707
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:01,380
cancer you don't want to do Reiki you

708
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:04,740
want to go by and then you become a you

709
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,630
know you got another quiver in your

710
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:08,640
arsenal there about what you can bring

711
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,360
to to bear on clinical cases that I

712
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:14,820
think is reasonably interesting so mine

713
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,960
seems to I don't you know again I'm not

714
00:29:24,170 --> 00:29:21,360
schooled in comparative stuff my fix is

715
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:24,180
cancer I don't know why it doesn't do

716
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:28,590
warts you know to take to extremes we

717
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:30,810
haven't had anybody fix Parkinson's

718
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:32,470
right

719
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:34,929
I think that's interesting it definitely

720
00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:36,520
is you've had some success with

721
00:29:42,299 --> 00:29:39,280
Alzheimer's I believe right Alzheimer's

722
00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:42,309
we seem to be able to do and so I never

723
00:29:46,049 --> 00:29:44,590
did in Alzheimer's patients because I

724
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:46,059
don't do patients I you know I'm trying

725
00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:48,970
to save the rodents of the world and you

726
00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:50,830
know people who do people after a while

727
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:52,120
I get sick of people because they're

728
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:54,280
very annoying and they they join me in

729
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:56,169
trying to save rodents but people who

730
00:30:00,539 --> 00:29:58,570
I've taught who have clinical patients

731
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,549
all over the place they're doing

732
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,320
Alzheimer's you know I've never done one

733
00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:04,480
so I got a group in Germany doing

734
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:06,520
Alzheimer's and they're fixing it and I

735
00:30:10,890 --> 00:30:08,470
got a group in Chicago and a group in

736
00:30:12,539 --> 00:30:10,900
San Francisco and they're reporting all

737
00:30:13,649 --> 00:30:12,549
this stuff that I've never tried I think

738
00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:13,659
it's pretty interesting

739
00:30:18,779 --> 00:30:16,150
and so Alzheimer's responds almost

740
00:30:22,049 --> 00:30:18,789
immediately and dramatically like cancer

741
00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:22,059
does and again that's another clue yeah

742
00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:24,340
Parkinson's know nobody's made any any

743
00:30:27,630 --> 00:30:26,230
inroads to Parkinson's cancers a dime a

744
00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:27,640
dozen no you know so that's not

745
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,400
particularly interesting but the

746
00:30:33,899 --> 00:30:31,360
Alzheimer's and the other stuff is

747
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:33,909
pretty interesting haven't had really

748
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:38,289
great success with diabetes weird so I

749
00:30:46,289 --> 00:30:42,210
did it I did a guy elderly gentleman who

750
00:30:48,899 --> 00:30:46,299
had lost body parts from long time you

751
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:48,909
know very severe type one diabetes he

752
00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:53,049
was blind you know the parts of him had

753
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:55,270
been amputated because of circulation

754
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,950
complications and all this kind of stuff

755
00:31:02,610 --> 00:30:59,440
and so I try to just free yuck and best

756
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:02,620
I could do I gave him about 50% of his

757
00:31:06,419 --> 00:31:05,740
sight back and about a 50% reduction in

758
00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:06,429
insulin

759
00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:08,620
he was happy but I considered it a

760
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:10,870
failure in the sense that he wasn't

761
00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:13,870
fixed and so something's going on there

762
00:31:19,770 --> 00:31:17,320
are working hypothesis right now is that

763
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:19,780
at least in my technique it seems to be

764
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:22,690
better at removing things than giving

765
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:26,970
things hmm make sense if you've got

766
00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:30,190
inflammation this stuff is unbelievably

767
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:33,190
good and I did lab work at Wake Forest

768
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:36,400
Medical School on inflammation and in

769
00:31:39,659 --> 00:31:38,169
cell culture models you put your hands

770
00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:39,669
around you do the image cycling the

771
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:42,280
inflammation all goes away 100% of it

772
00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:45,510
almost immediately it's bizarre

773
00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:46,950
but if you're a Parkinson's patient

774
00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:49,430
you're missing something

775
00:31:56,770 --> 00:31:53,420
so I have a deficit if I am a diabetic I

776
00:31:59,050 --> 00:31:56,780
have a deficit if I have cancer I can

777
00:32:01,930 --> 00:31:59,060
take something away if you have

778
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:01,940
Alzheimer's I can take something away so

779
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:03,890
Alzheimer's respond immediately and

780
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:06,770
dramatically but age-related dementia

781
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:10,640
not really if you're just decomposing

782
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:13,070
because you're old this doesn't seem to

783
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:15,950
stop the decomposition if you have

784
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:17,630
Alzheimer's you probably have

785
00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:20,650
inflammatory plaques and those go away

786
00:32:26,740 --> 00:32:23,900
Wow now that's definitely fascinating

787
00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:26,750
man and so you've done ten experiments

788
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:28,700
toying with this stuff maybe more now

789
00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:31,850
but according to your website oh yeah

790
00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:33,320
I'm over 20 I think the web so I've

791
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:35,390
never seen my website but I said I can

792
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:36,410
tell you what I can tell you it's

793
00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:38,690
outdated so fair I I got it I got at

794
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,240
least twenty plus many many many cell

795
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:44,720
culture experiments right on so you got

796
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:45,950
twenty experiments twenty with this

797
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:47,750
stuff once you discovered it it works

798
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:50,030
what were some of the other factors and

799
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:53,720
variations you decided to test out well

800
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:57,110
but as soon as something works in order

801
00:33:00,160 --> 00:32:58,490
to check to make sure that you're not

802
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:00,170
deluding yourself one of the first

803
00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:03,260
things we have to do is repeat it and as

804
00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:04,580
you say now I'm up though you know at

805
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:06,380
least twenty of these things but I'm not

806
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:08,570
doing it just to show that the first 19

807
00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:11,090
work I'm doing this to look at different

808
00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:13,940
permutations trying to unravel what the

809
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:16,430
mechanism is right the first thing I did

810
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:19,460
once I did the initial one at Queens

811
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:22,490
College was to find out if other people

812
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:24,410
could do it and are they learning it as

813
00:33:27,790 --> 00:33:26,330
I think they're learning if I was the

814
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:27,800
only one who could do this that's not

815
00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:30,230
good for my team you know there's no

816
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:33,230
upside for me being the only one able to

817
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:34,940
do this I mean that's really god-awful

818
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:38,780
yeah so what I did is I took two faculty

819
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:41,450
members skeptics

820
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:43,730
no experience and healing probably

821
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:45,720
couldn't spell healing

822
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:50,460
two students who thought really what do

823
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:52,290
you want me to do they have no

824
00:33:56,510 --> 00:33:54,600
experience in this nut didn't know

825
00:33:59,660 --> 00:33:56,520
anything whatsoever and I said would you

826
00:34:01,760 --> 00:33:59,670
like to volunteer I'm going to teach you

827
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:01,770
a technique and then we're going to try

828
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:04,380
to go out and cure cancer and they said

829
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:05,880
yeah yeah sure you know because they

830
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:08,250
thought I was kidding

831
00:34:12,139 --> 00:34:10,290
if anyone said to me oh I believe that

832
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:12,149
then they were excluded I've never

833
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:13,409
worked with a believer because they

834
00:34:17,899 --> 00:34:16,169
scare me so I got two faculty members

835
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:17,909
two students and we went through a

836
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:21,030
training program same as my CD trading

837
00:34:25,339 --> 00:34:23,399
program same as the workshops same as

838
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:25,349
you know nothing unique there and so we

839
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:27,090
went through that they got mice just

840
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:28,859
like I got mice coming out of the same

841
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:32,310
lab they had cages of mice and the same

842
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,679
thing happened all of them were cured so

843
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:37,919
my next step was well if they're all

844
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,750
getting cured out of this lab I'm a

845
00:34:44,390 --> 00:34:42,240
skeptic must be a bad lab so let's move

846
00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:44,400
to another lab

847
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:47,550
so I went to a different lab got more

848
00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:50,490
untrained inexperienced volunteers had

849
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:53,190
some other biologists set it up did it

850
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:53,760
again

851
00:35:02,480 --> 00:34:59,640
different people same results and you

852
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:02,490
get the idea so my first thought was can

853
00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:05,400
i replicate this second thought was can

854
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:08,430
anybody do this is there anything unique

855
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:12,150
going on and so it turns out I don't

856
00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:14,130
know whether believers can heal but I

857
00:35:19,070 --> 00:35:17,100
know that non-believers give you or die

858
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:19,080
I can't say non-believers people who are

859
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:20,690
skeptics yeah

860
00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:23,370
skepticism is an interesting phenomenon

861
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:26,070
there very few skeptics in my experience

862
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:29,640
I've given lectures at skeptic societies

863
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:32,760
invited and I usually start by insulting

864
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:35,910
them which is my strain and what I do is

865
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:39,060
I'll walk into a gaggle of skeptics and

866
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:40,530
they're all folded up you know their

867
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,330
arms are folded their legs are folded

868
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:44,940
they got a scowl on their face and I say

869
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:46,050
something along the lines of I'm the

870
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,810
only skeptic in the room let me get mad

871
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,940
and they know where the such-and-such

872
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,040
skeptic Society I said no you're really

873
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:54,900
not a skeptic Society you're believers

874
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,630
you're actually mindless believers

875
00:36:02,210 --> 00:35:59,040
everybody here knows the stuff I haven't

876
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:02,220
said is wrong yeah and I haven't said it

877
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:05,850
yet so you're you're a mindless believer

878
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:07,890
but you just be in the direction of my

879
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:10,290
mindless belief is to disbelief so I've

880
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:12,300
run into mindless believers who think

881
00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:14,130
everything is true and mindless

882
00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:15,600
believers who think everything is false

883
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:18,150
I said how about looking at the evidence

884
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:20,610
right and holding off holding off on

885
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:23,400
your conclusion which is really what a

886
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:26,130
skeptic should do mmm-hmm yeah I'm with

887
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,460
you

888
00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:28,680
so one of the experiments that I've

889
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:30,300
heard that you did that I thought was

890
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,910
most impressive in looking at different

891
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:34,680
factors and conditions for how this

892
00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:37,020
stuff might work is something where

893
00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:39,120
you're in an MRI machine and had

894
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:42,390
envelopes in your hands yeah yeah this

895
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,550
goes to I had a couple of questions

896
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:47,280
going on I've done functional MRI work

897
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:49,650
and healing at the University of

898
00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:52,290
Connecticut Medical School and Thomas

899
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:54,360
Jefferson Medical School

900
00:37:01,400 --> 00:36:57,180
I also have to be eg studies but the MRI

901
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:01,410
stuff a functional MRI and probably a

902
00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:04,050
lot of people listening have seen you

903
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:05,790
know pretty brain pictures kind of thing

904
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:08,370
and so you'll you'll see this part of

905
00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:10,050
the brain is colored differently than

906
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:12,150
that part of the brain and they look

907
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,830
impressive and all that stuff but what

908
00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:15,900
they're really measuring is oxygenation

909
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:18,470
to a particular part of the brain and

910
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:21,570
what you're assuming is that if the

911
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:24,750
brain is using more oxygen that part of

912
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:27,720
the brain is more active so I wanted to

913
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:31,050
know first of all can you toggle healing

914
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:35,970
and can we measure in other words if I'm

915
00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:38,340
sitting in an MRI or lying down in an

916
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:41,070
MRI which is really ugly environment and

917
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:44,250
I'm toggled and so I'm queued

918
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:47,310
okay start your cycling now stop your

919
00:37:51,830 --> 00:37:50,190
cycling start your cycling stop your

920
00:37:54,110 --> 00:37:51,840
cycling you know that kind of thing yeah

921
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:54,120
and it turns out I didn't think you'd be

922
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:55,560
able to do that it just didn't sound

923
00:38:00,110 --> 00:37:58,740
human to me but it went into the MRI so

924
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:00,120
let's give it a shot see what happens

925
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:02,190
I'm usually wrong about everything so

926
00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:04,830
let's go test it and so I get into the

927
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:06,900
MRI can we turn it on and turn it off

928
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:09,810
and it turns out we can and I still

929
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,130
don't know how to think about that but

930
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:13,200
but at this point I have enough people

931
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,720
who have done this that I'm reasonably

932
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:17,040
confident that you can actually can

933
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:19,530
toggle healing on and off and you can

934
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,050
toggle cycling on and off then what I

935
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:25,920
did is I stuck volunteers into the MRI

936
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,010
and I would cycle on them from the

937
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,160
outside and it turns out their brain

938
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:34,380
turns on and off just like mine did when

939
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:36,030
I was in there

940
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:38,910
so what happens in my brain happens in

941
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:40,410
their brain it just happens from a

942
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,890
distance so what I've realized that I

943
00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:45,540
can affect somebody's brain from a

944
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,150
distance and that what happens in my

945
00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:50,640
brain actually toggles on and off which

946
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:52,950
is the real mode of a functional MRI

947
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,250
then the question was how much of this

948
00:39:02,600 --> 00:38:59,280
is conscious and how much of this is not

949
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:02,610
conscious right so consciously I can

950
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:05,970
turn the cycling on and off I can turn

951
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:08,210
the healing on and off

952
00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:10,010
and I can turn your brain on and off

953
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:12,980
from a distance

954
00:39:18,849 --> 00:39:14,810
it in that particular case I'm trying or

955
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:18,859
I'm aware so the next step was what

956
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:21,580
happens if I'm prompted to heal

957
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:24,370
and so this is now the next phase of the

958
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:27,970
study where I and other folks who know

959
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:31,210
my technique would get into an MRI it's

960
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:33,250
an enclosed MRI and the only thing

961
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:36,730
sticking out would be a hand and someone

962
00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:39,610
would put double blind envelopes into

963
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:43,120
your hand and some of the envelopes had

964
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:45,700
nothing in them there were sham or

965
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:47,890
control envelopes and some of the

966
00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:49,690
envelopes had pictures and hair samples

967
00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:53,740
of cancerous animals 600 miles away we

968
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:56,440
got this from a vet so they had horses

969
00:40:00,330 --> 00:39:58,570
and dogs and cats and goats and you know

970
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:00,340
things like that and so there was a

971
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:02,470
picture and like a little couple of

972
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:05,080
strands of hair so some of the envelopes

973
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:06,280
had nothing in them and some of the

974
00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:08,530
envelopes had the strands of hair and

975
00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:10,660
the picture of the cancerous animal and

976
00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:12,100
when they're dropped into your hand and

977
00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:13,900
now you're not told to do anything you

978
00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:16,120
just line the MRI it turns out that you

979
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:17,980
toggle on and off if there's a need

980
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:21,250
represented so if nothing is in the

981
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:23,230
envelope and you drop the envelope in

982
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:24,370
your hand nothing out of the ordinary

983
00:40:30,690 --> 00:40:27,070
happens but if there's a picture and a

984
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:30,700
hair sample not consciously but you

985
00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:33,070
autonomically turn on your brain turns

986
00:40:37,230 --> 00:40:35,020
on it recognizes that there's a need

987
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:37,240
there and you go into the same mode as

988
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:40,180
if you were trying to heal and my

989
00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:42,490
conclusions from Natick orts is healing

990
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:45,820
is not a conscious act right yeah I mean

991
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:47,740
people consciously try to heal but I

992
00:40:52,110 --> 00:40:49,870
think that's a waste of time I don't

993
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:52,120
think you're relevant to healing yeah I

994
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:54,010
mean you don't even need to see or know

995
00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:56,650
the target apparently in any way nope

996
00:41:01,620 --> 00:40:59,290
nope nope never saw these as a sidebar

997
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:01,630
the animals were cured but that wasn't

998
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:04,930
the point of the experiment so it was

999
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:07,270
really does it turn on and turn off I

1000
00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:09,010
mean a lot of people think that you have

1001
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:11,140
to be in a particular state of mind or

1002
00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:13,150
you have to feel a connection or you

1003
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:15,220
have to you know things along those

1004
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:17,290
lines it turns out that that that's

1005
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:19,270
that's not real mmm

1006
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:21,070
yeah the energy susceptibility issue

1007
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:23,170
it's you know people parently can do it

1008
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:24,550
whether they feel those energies or not

1009
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:27,130
yeah I think we've reversed the causal

1010
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,250
sequence in our heads where people think

1011
00:41:34,299 --> 00:41:33,040
you have to get into a particular state

1012
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:34,309
of mind

1013
00:41:41,739 --> 00:41:38,329
and then healing follows and it turns

1014
00:41:43,779 --> 00:41:41,749
out you don't and I have more

1015
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:43,789
experiments but the bottom line to the

1016
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:46,030
experiments is this

1017
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:47,950
the connection happens and it's a

1018
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:50,020
measurable connection between healer and

1019
00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:52,890
Ely turns out distance doesn't matter

1020
00:42:00,420 --> 00:41:56,260
there's a measurable connection but you

1021
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:00,430
don't have to be aware of it and so it's

1022
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:02,410
not that you have to get into a state of

1023
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:06,430
mind in order to heal healing happens

1024
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:10,090
and you may or may not experience it all

1025
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:12,670
right so if we look at it along a

1026
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:16,920
continuum of people sensitivity levels

1027
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:20,550
some people are very very sensitive and

1028
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:27,720
got the brick seal just as well as the

1029
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:31,090
sensitives but the sensitives are more

1030
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:32,570
aware of it

1031
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:34,430
and the mistake they've made is that

1032
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:36,110
that sense of connection that they have

1033
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:38,630
that they're aware of and others aren't

1034
00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:41,630
is the thing that they have to feel in

1035
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:43,550
order to heal and it turns out that's

1036
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:44,810
simply not the case

1037
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:48,470
bricks do just fine yeah that's so

1038
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:50,810
fascinating and you mentioned the EEG

1039
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,870
studies and the kind of synchronization

1040
00:42:57,610 --> 00:42:56,240
that seems to happen between sender and

1041
00:42:58,980 --> 00:42:57,620
receiver can you elaborate on that a

1042
00:43:03,000 --> 00:42:58,990
little bit

1043
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:03,010
yeah the EEG studies are published in

1044
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,630
the Journal of scientific exploration

1045
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:06,880
which I'd like to do a riff on the

1046
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:09,310
Society for scientific exploration in a

1047
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:12,730
little bit but what I have is we had

1048
00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:16,210
very very very high-end EEG equipment

1049
00:43:22,589 --> 00:43:20,670
and we had a bunch of volunteers and

1050
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:22,599
volunteers would be in a separate room

1051
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:26,290
and we had multiple EEG s going and they

1052
00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:28,690
were synchronized and so they're very

1053
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:32,080
high-end equipment and they are sampling

1054
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:35,800
from both people on 38 leads every five

1055
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:37,780
hundredths of a second so we're

1056
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:40,270
gathering a lot of data and in the

1057
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,550
gathering of a lot of data we find out

1058
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:44,560
what happens when someone intends on

1059
00:43:48,270 --> 00:43:46,390
healing the other person at a distance

1060
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:48,280
or cycles with the intention of helping

1061
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:50,470
that other person and it turns out that

1062
00:43:56,339 --> 00:43:53,710
there is a brain of it be close to

1063
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:56,349
calling it a phase lock the brains go

1064
00:44:03,630 --> 00:43:59,290
into synchronization on many many many

1065
00:44:06,329 --> 00:44:03,640
multiple channels of frequency so you're

1066
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:06,339
in the other room I'm in another room

1067
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:11,940
and I'm told okay now think Connect

1068
00:44:20,099 --> 00:44:16,390
cycle on heal and then our brains go

1069
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:20,109
into a phase lock Wow now that doesn't

1070
00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:22,990
have to be conscious mm-hmm and here we

1071
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:24,700
go - you know what's the part of the

1072
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:26,650
conscious mind well I don't think the

1073
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:28,270
conscious mind is all that important

1074
00:44:34,530 --> 00:44:30,970
right I make fun of the conscious mind I

1075
00:44:37,230 --> 00:44:34,540
call it a pea brain I like that and I've

1076
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,240
heard you talk about the brain harmonic

1077
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:39,520
pattern that is created and how unique

1078
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:42,700
it is have you compared that patterns

1079
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:46,470
any other altered states at all

1080
00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:51,310
well the the guy who was the head

1081
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:53,860
Ichi guy on this studies guy by name EJ

1082
00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:57,610
Dunkleman and he's a big eme EG world

1083
00:45:01,860 --> 00:44:59,470
it's got nineteen labs you know things

1084
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:01,870
like that and you know I'm not an EEG

1085
00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:04,900
expert I just kind of asked this be done

1086
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:06,580
that be done and all that but he's the

1087
00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:10,570
actual geek and he is he is aware of at

1088
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:14,980
least a half a million DG outputs from

1089
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:17,410
people so he's very familiar with the

1090
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:19,030
field and what's happened and all that

1091
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:21,970
other kind of stuff and he says that

1092
00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:26,080
he's never seen an output like this so

1093
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:28,870
in the 500000 EGS he's familiar with

1094
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:31,630
he's never seen this and basically we

1095
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:34,450
get a brain harmonizing with itself it

1096
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,670
goes into least three part harmony I

1097
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:38,680
think it may be more parts of harmony

1098
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:40,750
it's kind of like at singing a song but

1099
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:43,000
it may be more just it was outside the

1100
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:44,710
range of the equipment to detect and

1101
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:47,470
then that unique signal appears in your

1102
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:50,440
head when we think of you at a distance

1103
00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:53,050
mm-hmm and you're not trying to produce

1104
00:45:57,690 --> 00:45:55,420
it it just you know if you will either

1105
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:57,700
going into sync or a is giving to be

1106
00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:59,290
we're not sure how to think about it yet

1107
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:02,800
yeah I love that aspect of it and this

1108
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:06,610
technique of rapid mental image cycling

1109
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,740
there is another fringe area where

1110
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:10,720
people talk about this kind of stuff and

1111
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:12,970
I know you're not a comparative guy but

1112
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:15,640
have you looked at the way a cultist

1113
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:18,220
described magic ritual and how they work

1114
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:20,260
there kind of stuff because they

1115
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:21,910
describe it in a similar way that it's

1116
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:24,400
about mental imaging so it's alright

1117
00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:27,190
yeah well mental imaging you know what

1118
00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:30,280
little I know about it is more of

1119
00:46:36,090 --> 00:46:32,920
holding an image and mine is the

1120
00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:36,100
opposite of holding an image rapid I'm

1121
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:38,920
talking seriously rabbit yeah so if I'm

1122
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:40,840
going through a hundred different images

1123
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:44,650
and I'm going dun dun dun dun

1124
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:46,510
I'm going through much more than those

1125
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,320
hundred images with each beat so if

1126
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:53,200
you're going that fast you're not

1127
00:46:57,660 --> 00:46:55,900
holding on to any image you can't hold

1128
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:57,670
on to any image because your pea brain

1129
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:00,420
is too slow at processing and for me

1130
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:04,560
yeah and so if it is something where a

1131
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:10,060
group of folks meditators in some other

1132
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:14,230
context are holding an image then it's

1133
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:16,090
almost the exact opposite of what I'm

1134
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:20,220
doing right we're not holding it all

1135
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:22,510
gotcha it's almost like trying to induce

1136
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:24,220
it to your subconscious you're trying to

1137
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,130
offload it to the subconscious yeah it

1138
00:47:32,430 --> 00:47:29,560
is but it's also as you practice it and

1139
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:32,440
you transition to mindless again and go

1140
00:47:37,650 --> 00:47:35,470
back to the example of either learning

1141
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:37,660
how to play tennis or just something

1142
00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:39,940
perhaps more familiar the idea walking

1143
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:41,500
you know your first time you take the

1144
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:44,380
conscious step to take a walk and you

1145
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:46,420
know you plop your block you plop in and

1146
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:48,070
then there's a phase transition where

1147
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:50,410
there's a sudden transformation and then

1148
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:52,740
walking becomes second nature and now

1149
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:54,850
everybody walks around and they're not

1150
00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:57,790
even aware they're walking and so now

1151
00:48:01,320 --> 00:47:59,530
after you've mastered walking you can

1152
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:01,330
then walk and talk you can walk in

1153
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:03,190
gesture and talk because with each

1154
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:05,590
mastery you transition to mindlessness

1155
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:08,500
and then something else can be

1156
00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:12,400
superimposed on that mindless skill so

1157
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:14,080
you when you're hitting a backhand in

1158
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:15,040
the middle of a match you're not

1159
00:48:19,950 --> 00:48:16,690
thinking about what's the first step in

1160
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,960
the back end you're feeling a flow when

1161
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,480
you're walking you probably past that

1162
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:23,920
you don't even know you're walking so

1163
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:25,930
people go walking there you know the end

1164
00:48:31,140 --> 00:48:28,210
driving a very common experience you

1165
00:48:32,730 --> 00:48:31,150
miss the last 25 miles mm-hmm well that

1166
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:32,740
doesn't mean you were a danger it means

1167
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:35,290
you're mindless yeah mindless is a

1168
00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:38,380
compliment now you know you go join an

1169
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:40,180
organization and you do a practice in

1170
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:41,800
mindful walking but you look like an

1171
00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:46,060
idiot yeah you know so it's good to

1172
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:48,280
exercise the p-brane but it's just an

1173
00:48:52,350 --> 00:48:50,110
entertainment value it's not to make you

1174
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:52,360
a better Walker if you're looking for

1175
00:48:58,410 --> 00:48:55,170
walking mastery you never pay attention

1176
00:49:01,110 --> 00:48:58,420
yeah sure if you're looking for healing

1177
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:01,120
mastery you should never pay attention

1178
00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:02,890
to healing that's common in so many

1179
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:04,600
different things stand-up comics I've

1180
00:49:07,710 --> 00:49:05,890
known several of them and they always

1181
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:07,720
say their best sets or when it just

1182
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:09,610
feels automatic like they're not even

1183
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:12,490
there yes you're on a roll

1184
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:13,240
exactly

1185
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:15,430
you're in the flow but if you try to be

1186
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:17,530
in the flow you won't flow that's the

1187
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:20,200
irony if you try to walk you're going to

1188
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:23,290
fall on your face if you try to heal

1189
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:25,330
you're just feeding the p-brane you're

1190
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:28,110
not doing healing so you let it go right

1191
00:49:33,330 --> 00:49:31,600
now to give you an idea although your

1192
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:33,340
listeners won't be able to understand

1193
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:35,980
this you have never heard me when I was

1194
00:49:42,190 --> 00:49:37,850
not cycling

1195
00:49:44,530 --> 00:49:42,200
hmm so it would be impossible for me to

1196
00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:44,540
calculate the rapid imaging rate that

1197
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:47,270
I'm doing while I'm talking to you but I

1198
00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:49,490
am not distracted in any way shape or

1199
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:51,020
form Wow

1200
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:54,950
when you learn my technique it will be

1201
00:50:00,220 --> 00:49:57,890
more mindful practice and then you'll

1202
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,230
hate me and and you know curse me out

1203
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:02,720
and all those things but when you master

1204
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:05,330
it you go through that phase transition

1205
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,740
where you start to transition to

1206
00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:09,680
mindless just like walking just like

1207
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:11,270
just like just like but it answered your

1208
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:14,390
question no in no way do we ever hold an

1209
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:18,290
image Wow so I've also heard you

1210
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:20,360
mentioned earlier healing seems to be

1211
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:22,190
about having a need and I've heard you

1212
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:24,410
say that before adding to it a need of

1213
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:26,990
the highest order can you elaborate on

1214
00:50:31,090 --> 00:50:29,690
that last little caveat and maybe the

1215
00:50:32,410 --> 00:50:31,100
insights that you've gotten that led you

1216
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:32,420
to that conclusion what does that

1217
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:34,850
necessarily mean having in need of the

1218
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:39,740
highest order well the first thing I'll

1219
00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:43,580
give you a just an image from some of

1220
00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:48,320
the experiments we've done imagine

1221
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:49,820
sitting in an animal room you're in an

1222
00:50:53,380 --> 00:50:51,530
animal room and it's a bunch of cages

1223
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,390
around and all that kind of thing and

1224
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:55,760
you got a bunch of sick mice so that the

1225
00:51:03,520 --> 00:50:58,970
mice have cancer if you put your hands

1226
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:03,530
around the cage of mice with cancer they

1227
00:51:06,940 --> 00:51:05,780
will I mean by this time it's not an

1228
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:06,950
interesting we've done there's so many

1229
00:51:13,330 --> 00:51:09,050
hundreds of times they will move to your

1230
00:51:15,070 --> 00:51:13,340
left hand you can spin the cage the mice

1231
00:51:16,450 --> 00:51:15,080
don't like that but you can spin the

1232
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:16,460
cage and then put your hands straight

1233
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:18,050
down the same way they were before and

1234
00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:21,070
the mice will move to your left hand

1235
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:23,740
when they're cured they no longer move

1236
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:27,010
to the left hand so they're responding

1237
00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:33,150
they're taking or they consent because

1238
00:51:37,170 --> 00:51:34,540
they don't have to talk themselves out

1239
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:37,180
of it they know naturally to go to the

1240
00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:41,710
left hand if I run machinery in the room

1241
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:44,470
when I'm treating mice and I'll give you

1242
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:48,010
some examples if you run a random number

1243
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:49,990
generator random number generator is

1244
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:51,930
kind of like an electronic coin flipper

1245
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:55,090
and it flips it very very fast and

1246
00:51:58,590 --> 00:51:56,890
there's no pattern to it whatsoever and

1247
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,600
this is stuff that comes out of

1248
00:52:03,090 --> 00:52:00,640
Princeton Engineering and so they

1249
00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:03,100
develop random number generators to test

1250
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:05,260
to see if consciousness can affect

1251
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:08,290
random number generators well if you it

1252
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:10,810
turns out you can but if you run a

1253
00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:13,840
random number generator and you treat

1254
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:17,080
the random number generator as if it's a

1255
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:20,290
patient so think of like a six-inch

1256
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,210
gizmo and you're putting your hands

1257
00:52:25,110 --> 00:52:23,440
around it like you put your hands around

1258
00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:25,120
a mouse cage or you put your hands on a

1259
00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:27,340
person and you do the cycling you do

1260
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:28,540
whatever it is that you're doing so

1261
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:29,650
you're treating a random number

1262
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,840
generator nothing happens out of the

1263
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:33,900
ordinary to the random number generator

1264
00:52:39,870 --> 00:52:37,240
but if I treat a cage of mice in the

1265
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:39,880
room and I run the random number

1266
00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:42,010
generator in the background the random

1267
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:43,480
number generator goes crazy

1268
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:46,630
hmm it no longer generates random

1269
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:49,990
numbers that will only happen

1270
00:52:54,830 --> 00:52:52,570
well the mice are sick once they're

1271
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:54,840
cured that doesn't happen

1272
00:52:59,740 --> 00:52:56,570
[Music]

1273
00:53:03,400 --> 00:52:59,750
if I run a geomagnetic probe which is

1274
00:53:06,610 --> 00:53:03,410
just taken is a very sensitive gizmo

1275
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:06,620
that's measuring background geomagnetic

1276
00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:09,710
fluctuations that naturally occur on the

1277
00:53:14,380 --> 00:53:11,780
earth if I treat that like I'm treating

1278
00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:14,390
a client nothing happens but if I put a

1279
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:17,420
geomagnetic probe in a room and I treat

1280
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:19,820
a cage of mice that are sick the probe

1281
00:53:26,140 --> 00:53:23,210
goes crazy if the mice are cured the

1282
00:53:30,220 --> 00:53:26,150
probe doesn't react at all the probe and

1283
00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:30,230
the random number generator seem to be

1284
00:53:36,850 --> 00:53:33,800
responding to a heeling phenomenon which

1285
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:36,860
is going on which is driven not by my

1286
00:53:42,610 --> 00:53:39,680
will but rather the needs of the animals

1287
00:53:46,270 --> 00:53:42,620
and probably there's a change in

1288
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:46,280
physical space which occurs so the probe

1289
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:48,710
knows when there's a need going on but

1290
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:50,450
if I treat the probe directly nothing

1291
00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:52,190
happens the random number generator

1292
00:53:55,630 --> 00:53:54,620
knows when healing is going on but if I

1293
00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:55,640
treat the random number generator

1294
00:54:00,820 --> 00:53:58,730
directly nothing happens something is

1295
00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:00,830
responding when there is a need presence

1296
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:04,190
a second cousin to this probably twice

1297
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,150
removed but a second cousin of this is

1298
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:10,960
if you treat a person

1299
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:13,710
and you're treating them for bad knees

1300
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,240
well their asthma may also clear up so

1301
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:22,720
the issue of higher order needs I think

1302
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,690
goes to the body is distributing

1303
00:54:34,050 --> 00:54:27,760
whatever it needs wherever it needs to

1304
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:34,060
do it and I suspect I mean here's among

1305
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:36,760
the other things that occur once a mouse

1306
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:40,089
is cured you can take cells from that

1307
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:42,190
mouse and put it into another mouse and

1308
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:46,720
it'll cure that other mouse geez without

1309
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:48,730
the healing now that's reasonably

1310
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:52,450
interesting yeah yeah and so I don't

1311
00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:55,570
know what the mechanism is but there's a

1312
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,910
higher order I think a hierarchy of

1313
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:00,400
thing so let's say someone comes in and

1314
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:03,310
they have a B C and D condition well I

1315
00:55:09,540 --> 00:55:07,510
think that a B C and D condition may all

1316
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:09,550
respond to the healing but in its own

1317
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:12,180
hierarchical sequence as the body

1318
00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:15,550
administers whatever it needs now if I

1319
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:19,900
treat a cell culture of cancer so I've

1320
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:23,050
got cancer in a petri dish and you put

1321
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:24,910
your hands around the dish and it's just

1322
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:28,740
cancer the cancer explodes and growth

1323
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,080
hmm now by exploding growth I'm talking

1324
00:55:36,839 --> 00:55:34,480
about a minimum of a six hundred percent

1325
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:36,849
increase in the growth of cancer it's

1326
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:40,000
not subtle now what does cancer need

1327
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:44,200
well cancer likes to grow yes yeah so if

1328
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:46,930
cancer is your client and you put your

1329
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:49,810
hands around your client the question is

1330
00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:52,359
what is your client need well if I put

1331
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:54,550
my hands around cancer the cancer grows

1332
00:56:02,270 --> 00:55:58,650
wildly I think the

1333
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:02,280
I had this super charged cancer and I

1334
00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:05,370
put that into a mouse

1335
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:08,100
cancer would collapse because the mouse

1336
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:10,310
has a higher order need than the cancer

1337
00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:15,090
right I find that to be one of the most

1338
00:56:20,090 --> 00:56:17,720
interesting aspects of this thing and

1339
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:20,100
I've heard you say in a presentation

1340
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:22,440
that in terms of the mechanism of the

1341
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:25,110
the rapid mental image cycling that

1342
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:27,720
there could be other applications beyond

1343
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:30,180
healing what do you think this technique

1344
00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:35,010
could possibly do outside of repair well

1345
00:56:39,350 --> 00:56:36,870
it's not a healing technique it's a

1346
00:56:42,860 --> 00:56:39,360
mental imaging technique which just

1347
00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:42,870
happens to result in healing mm-hmm so

1348
00:56:47,930 --> 00:56:45,180
there are many people who don't want to

1349
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:47,940
heal or an interested in healing don't

1350
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:50,390
need to be healed but they just want to

1351
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:53,910
manifest up in their life so they cycle

1352
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:55,290
because they cycle because they're

1353
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:58,500
selfish and they want that I forgot what

1354
00:57:01,550 --> 00:56:59,160
I asked for

1355
00:57:04,070 --> 00:57:01,560
Miata but they want three nationally

1356
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:04,080
what green Tesla thank you they want a

1357
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:06,150
green can't look so people have gotten

1358
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:07,770
green actually I don't think a much got

1359
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,900
a green one yet but but you know say

1360
00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:12,000
they get blue and red mullets and stuff

1361
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:13,980
but they're putting out the things that

1362
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:16,830
they want selfishly whether it has any

1363
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:18,270
do with healing or not and they're

1364
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:20,970
getting those things and it works yeah

1365
00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:23,010
huh so it seems to work as a

1366
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:25,830
manifestation technique as a mechanical

1367
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:27,540
manifestation technique because even a

1368
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:28,970
skeptic like me that make a difference

1369
00:57:33,350 --> 00:57:31,110
they use it as a mechanical

1370
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:33,360
manifestation technique and one of the

1371
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:34,800
things that some people want to manifest

1372
00:57:42,140 --> 00:57:38,400
is healing so if I have a problem and I

1373
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:42,150
have a bad knee and my image is of me

1374
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:45,240
you want to get passed to me the images

1375
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:46,920
of me playing tennis that means my knee

1376
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:50,730
is fixed the images of me skiing moguls

1377
00:57:54,860 --> 00:57:52,740
well that means my knees are fixed so

1378
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:54,870
they're doing it because they want to

1379
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:56,310
fix knees they're doing it because they

1380
00:57:59,780 --> 00:57:57,930
want a green Tesla they're doing it

1381
00:58:03,290 --> 00:57:59,790
because whatever they're for selfish

1382
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:03,300
reasons are I love selfishness who

1383
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:06,350
doesn't all healing should be selfish

1384
00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:09,960
mm-hmm well I mean it is so fascinating

1385
00:58:14,570 --> 00:58:13,080
that this technique has that kind of

1386
00:58:16,340 --> 00:58:14,580
application I mean that would kind of

1387
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:16,350
make this rapid mental image cycling

1388
00:58:22,070 --> 00:58:17,970
technique one of the most powerful

1389
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:22,080
things on the planet really I can't

1390
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:24,930
imagine not doing it yeah you know

1391
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:26,730
forget healing I just say I can't

1392
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,130
imagine not doing it I can't imagine why

1393
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:31,200
anyone wouldn't do it other than it's a

1394
00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:33,480
pain in the butt to learn right you know

1395
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:36,060
but so is hitting a backhand it just

1396
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:37,110
depends do you want to hit a backhand

1397
00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:39,120
well if so you're going to need to put

1398
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:41,190
in some time people don't naturally hit

1399
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:45,140
tennis back in mm-hmm I love it man and

1400
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,780
so as we get into to the end here just

1401
00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:50,640
to play devil's advocate now of course

1402
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:53,190
the data and the research papers they

1403
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,260
speak for themselves and I'm not an

1404
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:56,880
expert so it's a little over my head

1405
00:59:01,240 --> 00:58:58,890
already but I see a lot of big words and

1406
00:59:04,610 --> 00:59:01,250
long sentences and it looks very serious

1407
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:04,620
but I've looked into detractors of your

1408
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:06,180
work too in preparation for this and I

1409
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:08,610
really don't see much there but I do see

1410
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:10,740
some claims that because you are

1411
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:14,610
primarily a sociologist that this might

1412
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:17,490
be some sort of social study on the

1413
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:20,280
placebo effect or the power of belief

1414
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:22,730
have you heard that criticism yourself

1415
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:25,890
not as a criticism I've heard it

1416
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:28,710
certainly in my volunteers if I have a

1417
00:59:35,660 --> 00:59:32,010
volunteer doing the mice experiment they

1418
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:35,670
wonder what I'm really doing and so a

1419
00:59:39,830 --> 00:59:38,040
very common theme is that they'll

1420
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,840
independently come to the conclusion

1421
00:59:44,090 --> 00:59:41,760
because you know everything they're a

1422
00:59:46,820 --> 00:59:44,100
scheme to do is crazy you know I get

1423
00:59:49,850 --> 00:59:46,830
that they actually think I'm doing a

1424
00:59:51,590 --> 00:59:49,860
study and gullibility yeah that'll give

1425
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,600
you an idea how little they believe but

1426
01:00:00,860 --> 00:59:53,040
they actually think I'm doing a study in

1427
01:00:02,780 --> 01:00:00,870
gullibility so you know if the cancer

1428
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,790
gets cured what can I tell you and and

1429
01:00:06,350 --> 01:00:04,680
the volunteers who get involved in this

1430
01:00:08,060 --> 01:00:06,360
when they see these positive results

1431
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:08,070
they get a little they get pretty angry

1432
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:10,040
at you right for shaking their worldview

1433
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:12,690
well yeah I mean you know to a certain

1434
01:00:16,220 --> 01:00:14,940
extent I victimized them because they're

1435
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:16,230
going through life as normal people

1436
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:18,270
they're not into the world of hocus

1437
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:21,090
pocus and some lunatic comes along tells

1438
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,570
them to make

1439
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:23,760
let's check it twice cycle it thrice and

1440
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:26,280
and then they cure cancer what do you

1441
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:28,230
what do you do with that they were not

1442
01:00:34,820 --> 01:00:33,030
seeking healing and they were selected

1443
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:34,830
because they laughed in my face when I

1444
01:00:39,110 --> 01:00:36,630
told them what I wanted them to do so

1445
01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:39,120
again if I go looking for a volunteer

1446
01:00:43,820 --> 01:00:41,880
and the volunteer says oh yes yes I know

1447
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:43,830
that stuff or I study or I believe that

1448
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:46,500
stuff I run away from and so these poor

1449
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:49,170
people or just end up you know what do I

1450
01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:51,030
do with this and the reality is it's

1451
01:00:54,490 --> 01:00:52,800
it's pretty disruptive to their world

1452
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:54,500
mm-hmm

1453
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,270
yeah what are you going to do is the

1454
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:59,520
results speak for themselves but man

1455
01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:01,140
yeah but but you know you talk about

1456
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:04,230
detractors so I imagine be speaking in a

1457
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:05,640
medical school and I'm given the

1458
01:01:08,570 --> 01:01:07,290
technical data and they're they're

1459
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:08,580
trying to cut my needs out for three

1460
01:01:12,290 --> 01:01:10,920
hours and I'm okay if they cut my knees

1461
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:12,300
out because if I'm doing something wrong

1462
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:14,490
I'm not defensive about it I'll say

1463
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:15,900
thank you for pouring out my mistake

1464
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:18,650
yeah so far I guess standing ovations

1465
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,230
man I just I would love to see this kind

1466
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:24,240
of thing hit the mainstream I would love

1467
01:01:27,860 --> 01:01:26,070
to see more and more people adopt this

1468
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:27,870
worldview and see it as something that's

1469
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:30,390
actually legitimate but I guess we got

1470
01:01:35,180 --> 01:01:33,000
more work to do well I'd like to see

1471
01:01:39,290 --> 01:01:35,190
people who will stop defending beliefs

1472
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:39,300
yes amen you know relax all your beliefs

1473
01:01:42,099 --> 01:01:40,730
are wrong

1474
01:01:44,859 --> 01:01:42,109
even the belief that all beliefs are

1475
01:01:46,450 --> 01:01:44,869
wrong is wrong right we don't we don't

1476
01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:46,460
know what we're talking about let's have

1477
01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:49,220
some fun and let's let's have let's have

1478
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:50,900
a little excitement in the world and

1479
01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:52,970
let's follow and let's play in the

1480
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,260
tinker and then let's question

1481
01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:57,200
everything yeah cheers to that

1482
01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:00,980
well if dr. bill Bankston thanks so much

1483
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:03,320
for doing this I think we turned a lot

1484
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:05,210
of minds to mush out there always a good

1485
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:09,230
sign before we really call it in can you

1486
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:11,420
tell people where dive into more of the

1487
01:02:15,010 --> 01:02:13,730
research for themselves learn how to you

1488
01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:15,020
know learn more about the method and

1489
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:17,560
keep tabs on what you're doing

1490
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:21,290
sure see you're giving me a trick

1491
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:23,570
question now like what's my website it's

1492
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,950
called Bankston research com no I'd say

1493
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:29,599
I'm since I don't remember what it is

1494
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:31,250
good because I don't really maintain

1495
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:33,650
that website but Bankston research com

1496
01:02:38,890 --> 01:02:37,130
the book which will just tell you a

1497
01:02:41,770 --> 01:02:38,900
story you know it's like Once Upon a

1498
01:02:43,450 --> 01:02:41,780
Time is called the energy cure that's

1499
01:02:46,540 --> 01:02:43,460
available you can get on Amazon or

1500
01:02:49,930 --> 01:02:46,550
sounds true and then if you want to

1501
01:02:52,809 --> 01:02:49,940
learn the method itself also available

1502
01:02:57,099 --> 01:02:52,819
from Amazon or sounds true is a six CD

1503
01:02:59,859 --> 01:02:57,109
set entitled hands on healing a training

1504
01:03:01,569 --> 01:02:59,869
course in the energy cure and that is

1505
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:01,579
actually designed to teach you the stuff

1506
01:03:07,690 --> 01:03:05,089
and on the website presumably or is also

1507
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:07,700
a way to find out where I give maybe

1508
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:10,160
four workshops a year that's it rest

1509
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:13,490
time in a lab but I give maybe four

1510
01:03:19,450 --> 01:03:16,310
workshops a year I have one coming up in

1511
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:19,460
Marin County and February pretty sure

1512
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:22,250
and then I go to Germany and then I got

1513
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:24,260
I don't know but it's on the website so

1514
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:26,290
if you want to learn how to do it and

1515
01:03:29,530 --> 01:03:28,250
sceptically that's a wonderful thing if

1516
01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:29,540
you want to learn how to do it you can

1517
01:03:33,220 --> 01:03:31,910
check in on the website and it'll it'll

1518
01:03:34,329 --> 01:03:33,230
tell you how to do it if you want to do

1519
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:34,339
it on your own you want to come to a

1520
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:36,010
workshop you want it you wanna you wanna

1521
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:39,050
again I don't have any private secrets I

1522
01:03:43,569 --> 01:03:41,210
don't have any proprietary knowledge I'm

1523
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,579
not a the great guru I'm just kind of

1524
01:03:47,319 --> 01:03:45,200
muddling through life and I'm saying

1525
01:03:47,710 --> 01:03:47,329
this is an interesting thing come play

1526
01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:47,720
with me

1527
01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:51,020
yeah awesome man well thanks again

1528
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:53,270
really impressive stuff paradigm

1529
01:03:56,070 --> 01:03:54,530
changing for sure keep

1530
01:04:01,570 --> 01:03:56,080
what you do out there all right man

1531
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,580
thank you got it see ya see ya all right

1532
01:04:06,430 --> 01:04:04,400
all right all right super happy to have

1533
01:04:08,620 --> 01:04:06,440
gotten dr. bill on the show fairly

1534
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:08,630
unique episode I'd say probably one of

1535
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:10,910
the most scientific approaches to some

1536
01:04:15,460 --> 01:04:13,130
fringe healing science that I've seen I

1537
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:15,470
know bill says he's not a comparative

1538
01:04:19,570 --> 01:04:17,210
guy doesn't know a lot about these other

1539
01:04:22,090 --> 01:04:19,580
fields like magic and NLP and that's

1540
01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:22,100
cool but we do so I think when you're

1541
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:24,020
putting the big puzzle together the good

1542
01:04:28,420 --> 01:04:26,930
doctors piece is definitely useful the

1543
01:04:30,970 --> 01:04:28,430
fact that his technique revolves around

1544
01:04:32,830 --> 01:04:30,980
rapid mental imaging is way more

1545
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:32,840
interesting to me than the term hands-on

1546
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:35,510
healing suggests and that was really the

1547
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:37,910
aha moment where I thought okay this

1548
01:04:41,710 --> 01:04:39,410
fits right in with what a lot of higher

1549
01:04:43,060 --> 01:04:41,720
side guests talk about there is

1550
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:43,070
something there when it comes to

1551
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:44,810
strengthening your ability to clearly

1552
01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:46,970
visualize things and your meditation

1553
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,220
practice your magical rituals whichever

1554
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:51,440
you want to do or both and then getting

1555
01:04:56,740 --> 01:04:54,770
tangible real-world results obviously I

1556
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:56,750
don't know exactly how it works but each

1557
01:05:00,640 --> 01:04:58,880
guest we have that has some new approach

1558
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:00,650
to this realm gets us closer to

1559
01:05:05,530 --> 01:05:03,410
understanding it right so I loved it and

1560
01:05:07,450 --> 01:05:05,540
I think he's a fun guy on air noses

1561
01:05:09,550 --> 01:05:07,460
material well and hopefully you were

1562
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:09,560
entertained and maybe even motivated to

1563
01:05:14,050 --> 01:05:12,170
dig deeper I am meaning to get the audio

1564
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,060
CD and really put some effort into it

1565
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:15,920
but I do think a person can put two and

1566
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:17,510
two together just with what they heard

1567
01:05:22,060 --> 01:05:19,730
today and start experimenting whenever

1568
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:22,070
they like and this is just a good goal

1569
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:23,990
forming practice anyway I know a lot of

1570
01:05:27,580 --> 01:05:25,610
people who aren't happy in their current

1571
01:05:29,770 --> 01:05:27,590
place in life but they have no coals or

1572
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,780
plans for fixing it they might have

1573
01:05:33,850 --> 01:05:32,240
watched nine hour-long episodes of

1574
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:33,860
Westworld but when you ask them what

1575
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:36,110
they want out of their life you get a

1576
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:38,210
blank stare you're never going to make a

1577
01:05:41,410 --> 01:05:39,710
bad situation better if you're not

1578
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:41,420
giving it your conscious attention and

1579
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:43,250
maybe even the unconsciousness attention

1580
01:05:47,980 --> 01:05:45,710
so think deeply about what you want

1581
01:05:50,050 --> 01:05:47,990
picture it and start moving towards it

1582
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:50,060
because I think the healing stuff is

1583
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:52,250
great but I'm kind of more interested in

1584
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:54,170
the mechanism itself and these other

1585
01:05:58,540 --> 01:05:56,510
applications of it and even if you try

1586
01:06:00,040 --> 01:05:58,550
this and you find that it quote doesn't

1587
01:06:02,830 --> 01:06:00,050
work are you really going to be mad

1588
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:02,840
about taking the time to define your

1589
01:06:06,550 --> 01:06:04,130
goals wouldn't you be a little bit

1590
01:06:08,049 --> 01:06:06,560
better off anyway I really do think our

1591
01:06:10,809 --> 01:06:08,059
subconscious

1592
01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:10,819
wants to help us manifest reality it's

1593
01:06:15,939 --> 01:06:12,920
sitting right there just being

1594
01:06:18,699 --> 01:06:15,949
underutilized and maybe other spirits

1595
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:18,709
are too just waiting in the wings but

1596
01:06:23,019 --> 01:06:20,150
you have to do that little bit of

1597
01:06:25,989 --> 01:06:23,029
preliminary work to engage those things

1598
01:06:27,699 --> 01:06:25,999
so all that said I do have a couple of

1599
01:06:29,620 --> 01:06:27,709
announcements now that we're two hours

1600
01:06:31,989 --> 01:06:29,630
deep into this thing smart way to

1601
01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:31,999
communicate with an audience right but

1602
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:34,609
number one listeners sometimes ask me

1603
01:06:39,549 --> 01:06:37,369
about real meatspace meetups or some

1604
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:39,559
type of hire site event and I think

1605
01:06:42,670 --> 01:06:40,609
we're going to test the waters a little

1606
01:06:44,349 --> 01:06:42,680
bit I'm actually going to be out in

1607
01:06:45,939 --> 01:06:44,359
Denver this weekend to hang out with a

1608
01:06:47,979 --> 01:06:45,949
couple of friends of mine one of them

1609
01:06:50,229 --> 01:06:47,989
being Kyle who long time higher side

1610
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:50,239
listeners should remember of course he

1611
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,609
recently joined me on the three-hour Q a

1612
01:06:56,769 --> 01:06:54,799
show I put up four plus people last week

1613
01:06:58,299 --> 01:06:56,779
it's his birthday and we're going to be

1614
01:06:59,769 --> 01:06:58,309
drinking a little drink smoking a little

1615
01:07:02,469 --> 01:06:59,779
smoke and going deep down the rabbit

1616
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,479
hole pretty much all weekend but on

1617
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:05,119
Friday specifically January 20th

1618
01:07:09,969 --> 01:07:07,880
[\h__\h] inauguration day we're

1619
01:07:11,469 --> 01:07:09,979
letting any local higher side shatters

1620
01:07:13,390 --> 01:07:11,479
know that we will be at one of my

1621
01:07:15,939 --> 01:07:13,400
favorite Denver hangouts a place called

1622
01:07:17,739 --> 01:07:15,949
Mario's double daughters if you want to

1623
01:07:19,749 --> 01:07:17,749
come out and say hey we'll be there at

1624
01:07:21,370 --> 01:07:19,759
nine o'clock probably hang out for a

1625
01:07:23,709 --> 01:07:21,380
couple hours and just see if anyone

1626
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:23,719
comes out it's not a big deal I'm not

1627
01:07:26,949 --> 01:07:25,369
speaking or anything I won't have a

1628
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:26,959
table I'm not even telling them we're

1629
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,150
going to be there super casual I

1630
01:07:32,739 --> 01:07:31,039
wouldn't expect a ton of people but it

1631
01:07:35,499 --> 01:07:32,749
does seem like we've had a few

1632
01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:35,509
confirmations via Facebook already so

1633
01:07:39,489 --> 01:07:37,880
we'll see how crazy it gets so there it

1634
01:07:41,439 --> 01:07:39,499
is we're going to test the higher side

1635
01:07:43,749 --> 01:07:41,449
Klout you can find out what I look like

1636
01:07:46,809 --> 01:07:43,759
I guess from Facebook if you need to and

1637
01:07:48,189 --> 01:07:46,819
just find me come on up and say hey

1638
01:07:49,959 --> 01:07:48,199
don't make it weird

1639
01:07:52,329 --> 01:07:49,969
I'm sure we'll all have a great time and

1640
01:07:54,459 --> 01:07:52,339
I hope to see you there also the Plus

1641
01:07:56,859 --> 01:07:54,469
forum is under construction we're in the

1642
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:56,869
middle of porting over to a much more

1643
01:08:02,380 --> 01:07:59,599
robust forum platform and the new rule

1644
01:08:04,809 --> 01:08:02,390
going forward so that we can increase

1645
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:04,819
participation on those forums is going

1646
01:08:09,429 --> 01:08:06,799
to be that if you sign up for THC plus

1647
01:08:12,429 --> 01:08:09,439
you're going to get a plus show login of

1648
01:08:14,499 --> 01:08:12,439
course and then a lifetime forum login

1649
01:08:16,539 --> 01:08:14,509
so even if you just sign up for a couple

1650
01:08:18,459 --> 01:08:16,549
of months listen to a few shows that you

1651
01:08:21,250 --> 01:08:18,469
were interested in and then cancel

1652
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,260
you'll lose access to

1653
01:08:25,750 --> 01:08:23,600
show but you'll always be able to

1654
01:08:27,370 --> 01:08:25,760
participate in the higher side forums I

1655
01:08:29,410 --> 01:08:27,380
think that's a nice little bonus and

1656
01:08:31,450 --> 01:08:29,420
it's having a healthy amount of plus

1657
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:31,460
memberships that allows me to do these

1658
01:08:35,860 --> 01:08:33,050
things and make the experience better

1659
01:08:38,020 --> 01:08:35,870
overall I did just put a lot of effort

1660
01:08:39,610 --> 01:08:38,030
into revamping the t-shirts and

1661
01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:39,620
launching the higher side clothing so I

1662
01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:41,000
could be putting out a better product

1663
01:08:45,790 --> 01:08:43,490
they're super happy with how that's gone

1664
01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:45,800
I think the designs are really amazing

1665
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:49,220
and rival pretty much any t-shirt brands

1666
01:08:53,140 --> 01:08:51,650
designs that's out there and I can say

1667
01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:53,150
that without being a pompous [\h__\h]

1668
01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:54,980
because I didn't do the artwork I can't

1669
01:08:59,560 --> 01:08:57,260
draw anything I just think it's awesome

1670
01:09:01,420 --> 01:08:59,570
so there's that but I am now putting a

1671
01:09:03,490 --> 01:09:01,430
good chunk of money into rebuilding a

1672
01:09:05,980 --> 01:09:03,500
better forum and I've got quite a few

1673
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:05,990
other lofty goals and ideas for this

1674
01:09:10,270 --> 01:09:08,480
thing so please sign up for the higher

1675
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:10,280
side chests plus if you appreciate what

1676
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:13,010
I do I say this all the time but we tip

1677
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:15,470
waiters five bucks for a one hour meal

1678
01:09:20,890 --> 01:09:17,450
and that's all I ask for access to

1679
01:09:23,170 --> 01:09:20,900
literally everything I do I don't try to

1680
01:09:26,170 --> 01:09:23,180
sell you too hard I usually let the free

1681
01:09:27,550 --> 01:09:26,180
show portion go well over an hour I try

1682
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:27,560
to be pretty cool with all this stuff

1683
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,750
and I just hope that you'll be cool back

1684
01:09:33,190 --> 01:09:31,520
and then I can continue to make

1685
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:33,200
improvements when I have that financial

1686
01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:36,170
fuel in the tank as for today's Plus

1687
01:09:39,490 --> 01:09:37,880
show anyone who heard the first hour can

1688
01:09:41,830 --> 01:09:39,500
probably guess where we went in a second

1689
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:41,840
but we got deeper into the method dr.

1690
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:43,610
Bengston has come up with and how it's

1691
01:09:47,230 --> 01:09:45,110
been applied just like his work as a

1692
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:47,240
whole gives us insight into the

1693
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:49,100
phenomenon itself and what's going on

1694
01:09:52,810 --> 01:09:50,960
getting into the details of the

1695
01:09:54,610 --> 01:09:52,820
individual studies he's done and the

1696
01:09:56,770 --> 01:09:54,620
different applications and trials

1697
01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:56,780
they've had it all helps to get your

1698
01:10:00,670 --> 01:09:58,070
mind around what I think is a

1699
01:10:02,890 --> 01:10:00,680
fundamental aspect of reality that we

1700
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:02,900
either forgot or have been misdirected

1701
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:05,780
from who knows how developed this was in

1702
01:10:10,150 --> 01:10:08,090
the past we have indications that the

1703
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:10,160
ancients had some knowledge of this

1704
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:11,750
stuff but who knows how far I could

1705
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:13,610
really go if it got the right attention

1706
01:10:18,190 --> 01:10:15,770
in the modern world so if you'd like to

1707
01:10:19,690 --> 01:10:18,200
hear more of today's chat or any of the

1708
01:10:22,030 --> 01:10:19,700
several hundred I've done at this point

1709
01:10:25,390 --> 01:10:22,040
sign up at the higher side chats plus

1710
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:25,400
calm and if you're in the Denver area on

1711
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,340
inauguration day come out to Mario's

1712
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,280
double daughters at 9:00 p.m. and let's

1713
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,440
rage that's it for your humble host this

1714
01:10:37,450 --> 01:10:35,120
week we're getting

1715
01:10:39,340 --> 01:10:37,460
closer all the time but now it's your

1716
01:10:44,010 --> 01:10:39,350
move keepers of the consciousness secret

1717
01:10:48,430 --> 01:10:46,569
[Music]

1718
01:11:06,610 --> 01:10:48,440
baby

1719
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:06,620
[Music]

1720
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:07,090
I

1721
01:11:17,790 --> 01:11:09,890
[Applause]

1722
01:12:29,259 --> 01:11:27,950
[Music]

1723
01:12:29,269 --> 01:12:36,240
I